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Starting a new Peanut Butter Breath pheno hunt along with a Thug Pug genetics Banana Breath and Sherb Breath. Get grow tips and follow my grow journal over the next 9-10 weeks.

I have been chasing Thug Pug strains for a while now. I think I have found a really nice Banana Breath and will be running a full grow of her. But I really want to find a purple Peanut Butter Breath pheno. I know they exist but so far it has eluded me. This will be my third try and they say 3 is the charm.

The pack of Peanut Butter Breath seeds I will be running was made by a 2nd generation grower from Cali. My first run of his F2 seeds yielded 11 plants but unfortunately only 1 was a girl. Sometimes, although it’s rare, things can go that way with seeds.

I contacted the breeder and he sent me another pack. It has taken a while to get these into flower. I have 7 plants that I believe are all girls. It is possible that 3 untested plants could be males but I dont think so. There are 4 confirmed girls plus my PBB F2 from my last run. Hopefully the other 3 will be female and I will have 8 to pheno hunt.

PEANUT BUTTER BREATH GENETICS

So this strain was created by Thug Pug Genetics. It is a cross of DoSiDos x Mendo Breath f2 (Studly Spewright). The DoSiDos is from Archive Seeds and is a cross of Face Off OG and OGKB. Flowering time is 9-10 weeks and the plant is medium to tall depending on the pheno type. For a complete genetic breakdown  go to Peanut Butter Breath (Thug Pug Genetics) :: Cannabis Strain Info (seedfinder.eu)

PEANUT BUTTER BREATH SEEDS

Thug Pug genetics seeds are no longer being made and sell at a premium because this is his most popular strain. I have seen them sold for over $400 a pack. They were less than $100 when he made them and quite frankly they are not worth buying even if you can find them.

I was gifted about 40 seeds of his various Breath strains and you can check out my first grow here: THUG PUG GENETICS SEEDS AND PHENO HUNT

His seeds can produce some incredible plants but they have their share of problems. They seem to produce a lot of males and they do produce a lot of mutations. There is a lot of variation between phenos too. At this point original seeds are older and probably have a lower germination rate.

To my point I only had 2 PBB girls from his F1 pack of seeds and neither were keepers. There are purple phenos but at this point I am still hoping to find something nice in this run.

As far as determining smell and taste goes I might be bad at that because they dont smell or taste anything like peanut butter to me. The color of the pistils does remind me of the color of peanut butter though.

If you want to grow this strain it is fairly popular. So you will need to find someone who made Peanut Butter Breath F2 seeds or better yet a clone. I really cant tell you where to find them but you could check on Strainly.

My first run of F2 seeds yielded much better plants than my original F1 seeds but there was only one girl out of 11 seeds. Now I am running my 2nd pack of Peanut Butter Breath F2 seeds and it looks like 7 of 12 are girls.

My one girl plant from the last seed pack was very nice. She was frosty and ripened all her buds from top to bottom. But she was also all green and this strain can show purple. Hopefully I will find the purple pheno I am looking for in this grow. Here is what she looks like:

She’s definitely not bad! I just want the purple too!  The Banana Breath was outstanding last run. Very frosty, good yielder and tinges of purple running through the buds. The Sherb Breath was very good but not a heavy yielder and I dont know if she is going to stick around.

Here is a current grow that’s mostly MAC1 but with my first Peanut Butter Breath F2 too MANIFOLD TRAINING MAC 1 AND PEANUT BUTTER BREATH – 420 GROWER

How To Grow Thug Pug Peanut Butter Breath

There are a lot of grow methods out there and I have tried most of them but I am above all a hydroponic grower. My preferred method is recirculating top feed drip. I ran flood and drain for quite a while but have gotten better results with top feeding.

Recirculating Hydro

I use Buddy Stones which are the same as the now out of business GrowStones but you can use any inert media for this method. Hydroton or perlite will also work in this type of system. Rockwool would also work but I think it holds too much water. You really do need to use an inert media for recirculating hydroponics.

The idea is to feed frequently but at a lower nutrient strength. You are supplying food directly to plant roots. Since plants dont have to search for food they have a faster growth rate and usually finish earlier.

TOP FEED DRIP WATERING SYSTEMS

If you grow in coco, pro mix or soil, recirculating systems are not a good choice. It is possible with coco because it is a hydroponic grow medium but it will be a challenge to keep your nutrient profile balanced and coco is much better suited to a drain to waste top feed system.

With that said a top feed drip watering system can be adapted to virtually any grow medium if you take into account its water holding capacity. Be careful not to over water and always make sure you have some run off after every watering.

I use Floraflex open flow manifolds and open tubing to each pot. I run House And Garden Aqua Flakes which is designed for recirculating systems. My system runs on a timer so it is automated and I feed multiple times per day. Below is a video that shows my nutrient line up.

In this grow the plants were topped once. I did not do any other training on them. They are fairly upright so I will use my first screen to spread them out a bit but I am not tucking any branches.

Next to strain selection, lighting is most important even more so than nutrients. I run HLG lights and believe they are the best LEDs you can buy. Others may disagree but dollar for dollar they cant be beat and they are made in USA. Their warranty and customer service cant be beat.

I am a closet grower. These plants sit in a 2×4 flood tray under a HLG 650R. It is a powerful light and requires monitoring your PAR and DLI levels. Closet grows present challenges that commercial growers dont have to face. While I could run CO2 I choose not to because controlling the environment and VPD is much harder in a closet.

Finally I am not saying you have to grow Peanut Butter Breath this way but this is what works for me. I just want you to understand what I am doing.

PEANUT BUTTER BREATH PHENO HUNT AND GROW JOURNAL

It is day 7 for these Thug Pug genetics girls. They were propped up to even the canopy up a bit because there is a difference in plant size. There are a couple of OGKB leaners in this bunch.

After growing a bunch of Thug Pug’s stuff I find the more normal leaved plants tend to do better. The OGKB leaners are very frosty but usually small, low yielding and dont branch very well. PEANUT BUTTER BREATH F2 PHENO HUNT DAY 7 – YouTube

OGKB leaning leaves on day 7 above. Below is a canopy shot on day 10 with plants a few days away from flowering.

Got a hold of some Thug Pug Genetics seeds. If you can find them any more expect to pay hundreds even thousands for a pack. They are not being made any more but have a rep of being pure fire. Happy for a chance to give these a run.

I have Peanut Butter Breath, Sherb Breath, Banana Breath along with a few Garlic, Meat and Sophie’s Breath. I have to say that these seeds produce more mutants than any other strain I have ever run. Many have 3 or 4 cotyledons. Some grow in circles and cant figure out which way is up. Others are just stunted.

In spite of this the ones that make it produce superior plants. My friend reminded me that most normal seeds do not produce  quality anywhere near these. I have seen many pictures of Thug Pug Genetics seeds offspring and they are spectacular so I guess they are worth the trouble.

Speaking of worth these seeds are very expensive if you can even find them for sale. Thug Pug announced his retirement several years ago and since then his $80 a pack seeds sell for hundreds. The cheapest Peanut Butter Breath I found was selling for $400 and I have heard of some packs going for $1000. So I consider myself lucky to have these seeds. They were given to me by a good friend who no longer grows.

While Peanut butter breath seems to be his most popular cross everything in his breath series produces outstanding phenos. With no more readily available I am hoping to get lucky with what I have.

I started out with 38 seeds and have 20 decent plants going. There are some mutants that may make it over time.

Although the seeds are at least 2 years old most of them germinated.

If the mutants grow and I can take clones from them I can hopefully bypass the crazy germination and get a more normal plant.

I will be posting videos as these seeds mature and are flowered. YouTube makes me restrict my videos now so you cant see them if I embed them but you can watch them on my channel if you are at least 18 here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvMLDq605YnUc54Vq2vBrrw?

THUG PUG GENETICS SEEDS

There were a fair amount of mutants from these seeds and most did not make it. I ended up with 20 out of 38 seeds but I am not complaining. They were grown out until large enough to top and then the tops were used for clones. Happily takes were 100%.

 

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With back ups for all the plants the original seed plants were put into flower. Here they are on day 7 of 12/12. I have spotted a few males but most are still too young to sex at this point.

 

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THUG PUG GENETICS PHENO HUNT  DAY 28

So all 7 girls are doing well. The Banana Breath looks incredible and at this point it is the best in the grow but it is early. The Sherb Breath looks good and so does the Peanut Butter Breath. One PBB is an OGKB leaner and the other is more normal and appears frostier. The Garlic Breath is small and interesting. It could be a big surprise as it matures. Here is some PBB

 

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THUG PUG GENETICS SEEDS DAY 49 FLUSH STARTED

It has been a few days. How time flies. Most plants are doing well. So far I like the Banana Breath best. I think it will yield well. The Peanut Butter Breath is coming along but so far neither are showing the amount of purple I am looking for. The Serb Breath is nice but nothing spectacular and the Garlic Breath is nice but small.

Here are some day 49 pics:

DAY 56 THUG PUG GENETICS SEEDS AND PHENO HUNT

Moving right along plants are starting to fade. I want a Peanut Butter Breath that shows a lot of purple. Both my phenos are nice but dont have what I am looking for. My Banana Breath phenos, especially pheno #1 are the stars of the show as far as I am concerned. Here are some pics:

DAY 61 HARVEST

The manifold training I used in this grow worked well. It produced evenly separated tops with good light exposure. The plants did stretch much more than anticipated and this required removing quite a few sprouts and lower branches.

Unfortunately we experienced a heat wave with temps in my house going over 100 degrees for several days. They say it was a once in 1000 year even but the plants really dont care about that. The plants were right at the point of bulking up when it hit. And they didn’t. Bud size was greatly reduced and most were only half their normal size.

Cannabis can handle the high temps if they have enough water but it can affect bud size and bud density as well as final yield. Fortunately the quality and density was unaffected but the yield was much lower than normal.

I selected  Banana Breath#1 and a Sherb Breath as keepers to run again under better circumstances.

THUG PUG GENETICS FINAL BUD SHOTS

Platinum Candy is a strain from In House Genetics. She is very frosty and can get tall. Not the best SOG plant but I will give it a go. I think this was a limited release because there is no information on this particular cross.

The Platinum Candy is from fem seeds but I have no problem with that. There is a lot of misinformation about feminized seeds being hermie prone. This is untrue. If fem seeds hermie it is because the strain is unstable and regular seeds would be just as likely to do it too.

I have done a few test runs of this plant. I had 4 phenos of it. All were very frosty and buds were very similar but the one I kept out yielded the others 2 or 3 times over. Still I dont think Platinum Candy will ever be a heavy yielding strain. The amount of trichomes it produces has been exceptional and this alone makes it worth growing.

Platinum Candy Is Not Really A SOG Strain But…

She is a tall plant and node spacing can be 6 inches apart. Hardly a great candidate for a SOG but I had a plan. I started with 20 plants instead of 30 and I pinched the tops of the clones. This is something I never do on plants going into a sea of green. I felt with the extra space and the heavy stretch lower branches would get above my net and I could spread them out. It worked and they quickly filled the canopy.

I am running House And Garden Aqua Flakes, Power Si Bloom and CaliMagic this run. Lighting is HLG Quantum Boards. I am running flood and drain and using 6 inch net pots with growstones. Wish they still mad them because they are better than hydroton. I recycle mine by letting them dry in turkey trays and removing any roots I can.  Putting them in the oven  400 degrees makes sure they are sterile next time. As a closet grower I have learned to be resourceful!

You can see my first test run of the Platinum Candy here: https://420grower.org/platinum-candy-and-gorilla-bubble-sog-test-grow/

Now here is a video taken on day 14, She is flowering and still stretching but I am happy with the canopy. Many of the side branches are through the net and I will most likely be adding a 2nd net.

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PLATINUM CANDY DAY 35

Platinum Candy tends to be a tall strain and these girls ended up much taller than I thought they would. Easily 4 feet tall and they stretched until day 28. My lights are up as far as they will go and I have switched to a 11/13 light setting. Node spacing is pretty good on the tops though.

 

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Here are a couple of pics

THROUGH THE ROOF! PLATINUM CANDY DAY 49

I started calling this girl Long Tall Sally. She went through the roof(almost!) My lights are at the ceiling and I have had to pull branches to the side. I have 3 layers of trellis and could have done 4.

She stretches like crazy and nothing I have ever grown drinks as much as she does. A strong grower that’s for sure. Buds are very frosty but on the small size but I swear they doubled in size in just 2 days. She does not make large buds anyway considering her cookie genetics that’s no surprise. She has a lot of sativa in her genetics and I expect her to go 70 days maybe even more. There are tons of white hairs on day 49 and no sign of slowing down.

PLATINUM CANDY DAY 49 PICTURES

PLATINUM CANDY DAY 63 HARVEST PICS

PLATINUM CANDY DAY 63 VIDEO

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Different plants can benefit from different training systems. MAC 1 is a perfect SOG plant because of her compact upright growth habit. Here is a MAC 1 SOG. She is a much better candidate for a sea of green than the Platinum Candy.

The Platinum Candy makes really high quality buds and I plan to keep growing her. I think she is much better suited to a SCROG than a SOG. Her stretch can be better controlled this way and she should fill out a screen pretty fast. But the MAC 1 being a slow vegger would tale forever to fill a screen even with multiple plants.

Starting another Sea Of Green with my MAC 1. Vegged her longer this time to 18 inches. Flowers started showing on day 6. This should be a really good grow because the clones were really healthy and uniform in size.

I am running them under my HLG 650R and using House and Garden nutrients. I wont be using the Top Shooter this grow. It caused foxtailing and reduced trichome production. I really like the rest of their line though and will continue using it. You can see my last MAC SOG on my sister site here: MAC 1 SOG HOUSE AND GARDEN GROW – 420 GROWER

MAC 1 is a clone only strain. She is the perfect plant for a sea of green because of her narrow upright profile but she is not an easy plant to grow. She is a very slow vegger for one thing. She needs a ton of CaliMagic to grow right too. Her buds are rock hard and caked with trichomes. I think a plant that produces buds of her quality is worth the extra trouble.

I have a review of my nutrient line up here: HOUSE AND GARDEN AQUA FLAKES REVIEW – MY FLOWER CYCLE – How To Grow Weed Indoors (420dotcom.com)

Sea Of Green Clones Set In Day 0

So the clones were set into my flood and drain table. There are 21 in 6 inch net pots. Growstones with the clones themselves in a small coco plug in the center. A bit of droop from the transplant but they will pick up fast.

MAC 1 SOG The First 2 Weeks

Growth has been explosive. I removed a lot of lower branches and bud sites. This will focus growth on the buds up top that get the most light. I hate trimming small larfy buds so I do all I can to eliminate them early in the grow. I really have not had to do a leaf stripping on these girls because all buds are getting light.

 

GROWING THE MAC WEEK 3

Week 3 in my sea of green is looking good. Buds are starting to size up and frost is showing up too. Thanks to aggressive branch and lower bud removal I do not need to leaf strip these girls. I removed a few fan leaves that were directly on top of buds though. In the next few weeks buds should really start to grow.

GROWING THE MAC I DAY 28

I love sea of green growing and I love growing the MAC 1 in it. It has the perfect structure for SOG because it grows as a narrow column. Not a lot of branching but what there is grows close to the main stem and is pretty upright. So on day  28 I did a res change. I dropped the Power Si Bloom and went with just the Aqua Flakes A+B, Bud XL and Top Booster. I had really good results with the Top Booster last time. I ran it earlier and longer than their feed chart says and my buds exploded in size. Hoping for the same result again.

I will not run the Top Shooter again. It promotes foxtailing and seems to reduce resin too. It is the only product in the House and Garden line that I dont like. Here are a few day 28 MAC 1 pics:

 

 

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DLI ANYONE? DAY 35 DIMMING THE LIGHTS?

This is a lower bud on day 35. It is much frostier than my upper buds that are getting full light. Which leads me to wonder if my plants are getting too much light. I am running my HLG 650 R and it puts out a lot of light in that small space.

Are you familiar with DLI? It stands for Daily Light Integral and it is often used by greenhouse growers to calculate how much supplemental lighting to use. There is a formula that measures the amount of photons a plant gets each day and different plants have different light levels. Cannabis requires a lot more than most crops.

I am not going to get real technical here other than to say there can be too much of a good thing. In practical terms there are 2 ways to adjust it. One is dimming the light levels and the other is to shorten the time lights are on. Some growers routinely run 11 hours on and 13 off in flower. It generally does not hurt yield and can make them finish a bit earlier.

I measure my light with a par meter and keep my par levels under 1000 which is the max weed can use without CO2. Sometimes a few taller plants can get a bit more though. LED light can be pretty intense and it wont burn your leaves. In extreme cases it can cause bleaching and high light can cause other leaf issues and even stunting.

All my MAC 1 buds are frosty but I want all my buds to look like the above picture. So I am turning my lights down a bit to see if there is any affect and will wait a few days to see if there is a difference. I noticed my lowers are getting about 400 micromoles which is half what the top is getting. Some strains dont like as much light as others. Some will foxtail if they get too much light but some wont do this as this trait is more linked to Sativa genetics.

DAY 42 AND 11/13 LIGHT CYCLE

So I changed my light cycle from 12/12 to 11/13. DLI is an important factor to consider. I used to just monitor my par levels but I have learned sometimes that is not enough. This is especially true with high powered LED lights like the HLG 650R.

Plants wont show heat stress like you would with HPS but too much light can also cause stress. On my MAC 1 the lowers were much frostier than the uppers. While they have not caught up I do see improvement of the trichomes.

MAC 1 SEA OF GREEN WAS HARVESTED DAY 63

The lighting change seemed to bring a bit more trichome coverage and I dont think it will affect yield. I debated taking these girls 70 days but I have plants backed up and ready to go in.

They are done but I wanted a bit more fade. They are not really drinking and white hairs are gone. Trichs are cloudy which is how I like them. There are some really nice purple highlights on the buds and they look really good. Here are some pics:

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Starting a new grow with 8 mixed up moms from my veg tent. Death Bubba, Animal Cookies, MAC 1, Koffee F3, GMO, GG4, Black Banana Cookies, and Tropicanna Cookies. Lighting is HLG 650R and running Media Feed from Dutch Master Commercial Edition nutes.

2 CLOSETS ON DAY 15

Closet 1 is 8 mixed up moms from my veg tent. Death Bubba, Animal Cookies, MAC 1, Koffee F3, GMO, GG4, Black Banana Cookies, and Tropicanna Cookies. Closet 2 is a mixed SOG with Gorilla Bubble, Platinum Candy, Bad N Boujee, BBC, GMO and Koffee Lighting is HLG 650R and running Media Feed from Dutch Master Commercial Edition nutes.

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Day 21 Time To Leaf Strip My Mixed Moms

Closet #1 on day 21 all my mixed up moms were leaf stripped and a trellis was put on. Plants are coming out of a calmag deficiency. They were not getting enough in veg even though Veg + Bloom shows adequate amounts on the label.

Since they are in coco and under LED lighting they need supplemental calcium and magnesium and I dont think there is a base nute available that has enough without supplementation. Although my Dutch Master feed chart calls for adding it it doesn’t seem to be enough at least for coco.

Normally I use coco for my moms and flower in grow stones but since closet 1 is moms I am rotating out I just kept everything in its original 1/2 gallon containers. I put them into 1 gallon pots with a couple of inches of grow stones in the bottom. This lets me run them in flood and drain without over watering.

I want to make sure all the buds will get good light because these are larger plants for the most part. So right now they look pretty bare but they will fill out.

Day 28 Mixed Up Moms Bud Shots

I just like to call these plants mixed up moms because they are all different strains that I have been holding in my veg tent for clones. Now they are in flower and judging by the buds they are not mixed up at all as far as knowing what to do.

Day 28 Silica And Testing Power Si Bloom

Things have recovered nicely from the leaf strip and I see trichome production coming on nicely.

MIXED MOMS DUTCH MASTER POWER SI BLOOM UPDATE

Things are going well on day 42. I am seeing a difference with the Power Si Bloom. My buds continue to show fresh pistil growth after they had stalled out. Also I have noticed the smell getting much stronger. I am happy with the Dutch Master line but I have swapped out their silica supplement for the Power Si Bloom

DAY 63 BUD SHOTS AND HPS VS LED

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Day 63 Video of Koffee And My Mixed Up Moms And HPS VS LED

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